More info. The conclusion was that Tiger stood the better chance due to her 6 turret being mostly electrically powered rather than hydraulic, like Blakes, so the presumption was shed be more reliable. Yes, have to agree, Gallipoli wasnt one of our finest ever ventures. It said about 50 BTGs were already in place to the north and east of Ukraine and in Crimea to the south. the less we have to do with the ukraine the better. Britain said the shots were part of a Russian gunnery exercise. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the coast of Russia-annexed Crimea. This was to determine if the resurrected Blake and Tiger would stand a chance against the Belgrano, if they actually faced off. THE Royal Navy has shadowed nine Russian warships stalking Britain's coast in the past two weeks. the russian method of fitting a gun,torpedo cruise missile wherever it can fit gives them more powerful vessel than it was designed to be. A Russian military ship armed with hypersonic missiles has sailed through the Strait of Dover, the narrowest part of the English Channel - only a few miles away from the English coast. The Kremlin quickly denied it was preparing a provocation. By Sam Greenhill Chief Reporter for the Daily Mail. Russia is flexing its muscles in Britains back yard after ten warships arrived off the UK coast, the Chief of the Defence Staff has warned. This is howRead more , Thats reassuring.Thanks. UK could learn a few things by this process and not immediately scrap stuff. See reply above. Ill also add American Democrats have a strong distaste for Putin starting roughly in early 2017 when US intelligence agencies determined Russia helped elect Trump. It has a much wider capture angle. Published: 8:51 ET, Jan 24 2023 A RUSSIAN warship armed with "unstoppable" hypersonic missiles is sailing towards the US coast in a show of strength, reports claim. Access unmatched financial data, news and content in a highly-customised workflow experience on desktop, web and mobile. And in the Western Military District, a missile regiment armed with S-400 Triumf mobile, surface-to-air missile system conducted electronic launches at a range in Leningrad region. Where do they and other countries replace it from? Most of its armour is 25+ years old, its tube artillery is a similar age and is seriously out ranged by modern Russian systems and they have just announced a cut in numbers to about 75,000..! Unfortunately we are in a poor starting position militarily, as is most of NATO if things escalate. Ryabkov, referring to Moscow's version of events in which a Russian aircraft bombed the path of the British destroyer, said that in future bombs would be sent "not only in its path, but also on target.". As for the numbers unvaccinated, I know Putins trolls have been stoking that fire with conspiracy theories about the vaccines. The NATO Allied Maritime Command is "closely monitoring" Russian frigate Admiral Gorshkov, it said in a tweet with a photo of the warship. Thats if of the few Astutes we have arent already chasing their own Oscars or Yasen. We are now at a stage where Russia could at any point launch an attack on Ukraine.'. You must have access to a higher level of intel than me then. There are only two roads from Crimea that could be blocked or destroyed, a potential weakness, he said. He urged Putin to take 'the path of diplomacy and dialogue to try to resolvedifferences there are peacefully' hours after the Biden administration said it would provide an additional $200 million in defensive military aid to Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression. We should grant him that and make it a reality. Unless of course you are a Putin oligarch;0). During its 2008 war with Georgia, Russia bristled at U.S. warships operating in the Black Sea, and in April the United States cancelled the deployment of two warships to the area. Id still bet the Poles will be doing a lot of footwork on how to help the Ukrainians. Chechen warlord 'seriously ill' but refuses to call Russian doctors over 'poison' fears Ramzan Kadyrov is the leader of Chechnya and a close confidant of Vladimir Putin and Global Britain is an illusion. The Marshal Ustinov, a large cruise missile ship, is one of a. EFP is tripwire forces (and not many of them ie only 3 Battlegroups in total) to prevent Russian incursions into Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or rather to reassue the peoples of those countries they are not going to affect the Russo-Ukraine situaution. The task group were joined by RAF Typhoon and F-35s jets, plus tankers RFA Tideforce and RFA Tiderace. Something that clearly says were here, and were flying over Ukraine and you arent stopping us. SMs dont spend a lot of time having needless conversations with their controlling authority. Putin is serious about sabre-rattling and applying miitary pressure. Im afraid its too early to plot the demise of the tank.. I think most would agree Trump was a very poor President and Joe Biden has not covered himself in glory. Merkel should not have abandoned Germanys nuclear power generation capability, and become so reliant on Russian gas. During his meeting with Zelensky today, Blinken reaffirmed the American commitment to his nation's sovereignty and said Ukraine had faced 'relentless aggression from Moscow' since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Blocking the straits is a far cry than just a few drone attacks. There is currently another Russian flotilla heading for the Med, this time the flagship cruiser and escort from their Pacific Fleet. Biden??? In comments that will alarm Kiev, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said her country needs 'a reliable Russia' to supply Europe with gas. Kyiv might also be provoked into attacking by the separatists who could then ask Russia to send troops to help, he said. Morning Spy. I think Irans aspirations in the region run much deeper than having mild cooperation with Russia. Iranians being bombed at will??? Correction. "It is a hypersonic sea-based system - [and the vessel has other] latest-generation weapons. I think so. It builds up its arsenal in one location to make the world think thats the location they are going to attack. 'Should Russia invade, we will provide additional defensive equipment to Ukrainians.'. Dont we have typhoons in the Balkans and Romania? Thomas C. D'Arcy, encountered a formation of seven Chinese and Russian warships in the Bering Sea last month. Agree but the Russians view is that any weapon in hand can be used against an enemy and therefore gets kept. " Russian warship, go fuck yourself " [a] was the last communication made on 24 February 2022 during the Russian attack on Snake Island in Ukraine's territorial waters by border guard Roman Hrybov to the Russian missile cruiser Moskva. He told officials the UK stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the Baltic state a Nato ally. I'm sure there will be no decision about [Ukraine] without [Ukraine],' he wrote. Putin cannot afford a hot war even less than we can. The operation could begin with artillery, missile and air strikes on Ukrainian units in the south, and special forces units might seize bridges and railway junctions, allowing troops and tanks to advance, he said. When people toured the Viktor Yanukovych presidential palace, they were shocked at the grandeurRead more , Step back guys, the roots of this situation lie decades ago. Perhaps all they want is a buffer zone with no NATO assets in sight? We do need more ships and we will increase the number of frigates in the years to come. Im not entirely sure how/where you have Ur info ref Astutes having v limited Comms when dived from? Moscow has announced the 'successful' completion of tests on its Kinzhal - or Dagger - hypersonic missiles, which can carry nuclear or conventional weapons with a range of 1,250 miles, in the Arctic, though the weapons had been deployed with Russian forces ahead of the trials. Thought about those beasties Johnathan if they hadnt been converted to Helicopter carriers as such and kept the Aft turrets as well nice broadside those cordites were huge, No worries. That calls a defense expert on the plan. Iran if anything will be taking the opportunity to cause issues whilst US attention is firmly off the region. Idiocy. Any commander in defence now has Russian forces to the North, East, South and West; it could all get very tasty. The target selection technology provides NSM with a capacity for independent detection, recognition, and discrimination of targets at sea or on the coast. The rest of Ukraine is a sovereign state and fully independent of anyone. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! Still better than a 4.5 gun. They believe Mr Putin's troops are being positioned in line with his new objective, with armoured divisions set to head into neighbouring Belarus on exercise but now stationed within striking distance of Kiev. Russia's Baltic Fleet vessels theKorolev, Minsk and Kaliningrad were today sailing south past the UK followed by Northern Fleet warshipsOlenegorsky Gornyak, Pyotr Morgunov, and Georgii Pobedonosets which passed the Great Belt Bridge in Denmark on Monday. Estonia is sending Javelin anti-armor missiles while Latvia and Lithuania are sending Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and related equipment, according to a Friday statement by the countries defense ministers. ", DON'T MISS:Vladimir Putin braced for Kremlin 'ultra-nationalists' mutiny[REPORT] West puzzled after Putin evacuates warships and submarines from region [REPORT] UK tanks to cause 'real problems' for Russia on Ukrainian frontline[REPORT]. If Russia invades what do they do next? If the RN really wants anti ship missiles, we would get them. The seven Russian ships - two frigates, three corvettes and two landing ships - were initially tracked by HMS Tyne, an offshore patrol craft. View our online Press Pack. The jams at US West Coast ports have been due to the global supply chain being out of whack. At the same time, it has stepped up social media campaigns portraying Ukraine as aggressors. The proliferation of this capability within the new Russian Navy is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets. Purely theoretical, but just imagine Putin had deployed military units to Iraq in 2002/2003 as peacekeepers and to secure WMD. But the figures arent as large as claimed andRead more . The conflict in Donbass has killed 15,000 people, Kyiv says. Yes China has been throwing money at increasing the capabilities and sheer size of its military in it race to become the worlds dominant hyper-power. NSM is able to navigate by GPS, inertial and terrain reference systems. "Today, a detachment of ships and support vessels, headed by the large anti-submarine ship Vice-Admiral Kulakov of the Northern Fleet, passed the Pas-de-Calais and continues to move southward in the . Im afraid Martlet wouldnt scratch the paint on a Kirov, whilst the Wildcat wouldnt get within range to launch kinetics before being eliminated by the Grumble. Type 23 frigate HMS Northumberland, based at Devonport, watched the movements of Udaloy-class destroyer the Vice-Admiral Kulakov as it sailed north-west of the Outer Hebrides. There are only 4 sets available for the Type 45s taken off the Type 22 Batch 3s. LOL Ivan you really are poster boy for Putin . Lauren Lewis For Mailonline, Russia sends troops and military vehicles to Belarus in move likely to increase fears of Ukraine invasion ahead of Putin's 'war games' with ally Lukashenko, German Chancellor appeases Putin and obstructs Western efforts to defend Ukraine as he refuses to send weapons to Kiev's forces and takes soft stance towards Russia, White House believes Russian invasion of Ukraine could be imminent: Jen Psaki warns there is an 'extremely dangerous situation' at the border ahead of Blinken's trip to meet President Volodymyr Zelensky, Pavement where disabled woman gestured at cyclist before fatal crash, 'Vindication': Georgia Harrison on ex Stephen Bear's sentencing, Incredible footage of Ukrainian soldiers fighting Russians in Bakhmut, Pro-Ukrainian drone lands on Russian spy planes exposing location, 'Buster is next!' In a sense he might as well go for as much of Ukraine as he can get hold of because the penalties are just the same. . I really cant believe he wants to invade Ukraine. We have historically supported the underdog in the face of the invading bully. The Ivan Gren-class can transport 40 BTRs or IFVs and 300 troops. At the end of the day it isnt going to be Britain v Russia, It will would be a NATO coalition. Moscow could launch an attack on Ukraine from Crimea and seize territory up to the Dnieper River that could serve as a natural barrier against any Ukrainian counter-offensive, said Konrad Muzyka, director of the Poland-based Rochan consultancy. Im all for countries determining their own choices, but I can see Putins concerns. if 25% could actually get out of harbour before breaking down! Wow so they first entered service about the same time as the Type 21s ! It is a show of force and plans for a possible invasion. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. He really wants to install a pro-Russian government in Kiev and to have independence for theRead more . Since then its been regular movements in/out as the Russian military cycled as many as possible through Syria for the experience. In such a febrile atmosphere, the risk of a misunderstanding or unplanned escalation is greater, and Russia could use such an incident as a casus belli. Murdaugh is heckled as he leaves court, Two Russian tanks annihilated with bombs by Ukrainian armed forces, Ukraine soldiers shoot down enemy drones with drones of their own, Dozens stuck in car park as staff refuses to open gate for woman, Missing hiker buried under snow forces arm out to wave to helicopter, Insane moment river of rocks falls onto Malibu Canyon in CA, Fleet-footed cop chases an offender riding a scooter, Isabel Oakeshott clashes with Nick Robinson over Hancock texts. Historical animosity towards the Russians. Browse an unrivalled portfolio of real-time and historical market data and insights from worldwide sources and experts. An analogy would be how the small number of US troops placed in both Syria and Afghanistan deterred attackers until they were removed andlook what follows. Forces would secure control of a canal that provided Crimea with fresh water supplies until Russia annexed the region and Ukraine stopped the flow, he said. I note that you seen to have accepted my comments on the US border debacle. It was purely a theoretical consideration . Its perhaps worth considering that just supposing a few Russian armoured/infantry detachments had been deployed in and around Baghdad at important government and military sites as peacekeepers/observers or an actual hostile force, then would the 2003 invasion of Iraq have taken place? Is funny that in America when Trump was President the media said he had made a secret deal with Putin but now that Biden is President and has verbally given Putin the OK to invade Ukraine the US media says nothing but how great Biden is. Preliminary analysis of the vessels suggests 3 groups. The guided missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov has been closely monitored by Nato navies on its maiden voyage armed with 6,670mph Zircon weapons. I cant imagine we would though, as it could cause an incident in the channel. Thanks Mark it just seems that the way that some outlets are reporting this ongoing story ,could in fact do more damage than good .As with some people on these threads ,that are goading eachother into what better weapons would do the most damage ,when the most destructive weapon is their Mouse/keyboard I know its just keyboard banter but my God theres some who really do want it too kick off. He would have stolen a march under US noses, scored a propaganda victory, brought Iraq under Russian influence and probably have prevented the 2003 invasion. 'How can we be given a chance to defend ourselves if you're not giving weapons? With you on this DL, some interim AShMs on all T45/T23sbut Mr Wallace is here in Sydney at the moment. Why would Poles help Ukrainians? Spot on post! French President Emmanuel Macron has offered to send troops to Romania., https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60077776. It does not stop Russia interfering in/invading Ukraine. lol. Europe? The RN suffered badly in the Falklands through short sightedness and gaps in capabilities, and is sadly doomed to suffer again unless it takes the enemies and their capabilities and tactics seriously. Tabloid sensationalism Im afraid Tommo. We use your sign-up to provide content in ways you've consented to and to improve our understanding of you. They have nothing to match it. Actually, its an interesting point. I have faith in the crews and TTPs, I have limited faith when the top brass dispense with offensive capabilities that the USN and every other major navy endorses. The 4.5 has the range, accuracy and stopping power to deal with that kind of threat. If this new cold war turns into something nasty, our T45 should have something better than Harpoon to engage enemy ships. So easy to detect and evasion not impossible but also easy for CIWS to lock onto. https://www.janes.com/defence-news/naval-weapons/latest/turkish-navy-commissions-first-intelligence-gathering-ship. Actually having checked further the major problem the USA/Canada are having are the same that most countries are. All depends on how you define corruption but generally speaking most countries are corrupt at some or all levels us included. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the. Not sitting, looks like hes on his way to Moscow to have a quiet chat with Sergei Shoigu. Boris take a private plane back to London from a climate summit in order to get to a party thrown by a conservative party donor .. is that not more irritating than a child asking the adults toRead more , the swedes attitude to defence equipment and production is very good. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, New British nuclear missile submarine reaches milestone, Despite funding concerns Type 32 Frigate still planned, European deployment successfully completed by Royal Navy, UK and US nuclear missile submarines send message to Russia, UK signs for Aster 30 Block 1 anti-ballistic missile weapons, Royal Navy seeking loitering munitions for ships, https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/01/us-sends-more-military-equipment-ukraine/361042/ , NATO battlegroup in Bulgaria reaches full capability, BBC announces new aircraft carrier documentary. TheRead more . Surface vessels Anti ship missiles are effectively back up. See here for a complete list of exchanges and delays. Which begs the question why? Resources, they have plenty of their own. Ireland's defence minister says Russian tests off the coast are unwanted, but cannot be stopped. Initially other then a echo sounder suite for navigation which is a safety requirement, there are no current plans for a ASW fit on the T31s, for the reasons you have stated. Cheers dave , I think our boss were trying too make us look on the bright side I doubt if the Careers office would have stated that when we signed up, And yet, of all the capability gaps, this one worries the RN the least. The ships have included a surfaced submarine, a destroyer, a corvette and a patrol ship along with their supporting tugs and supply ships travelling in the English Channel, Celtic Sea and the West Coast of Scotland. the Poles keep shtum about their involvement, unlike the Balts who declare it openly. he said. Sean, Where is this wharf in Australia? Is not the opposite more true? Combined, these would provide us with a very capable deterrent for home defence from land, sea and air. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. On 19 July 2020, another explosion hit a power plant in Isfahan Province. The RN has learned many lessons over the years, have a little faith. In such cluttered close waters, the 4.5 inch is probably the best weapon and only weapon you would need.
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